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uncle W

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NYC decade snow averages...
decade.......................Oct.....Nov.....Dec.....Jan.....Feb.....Mar.....Apr.....total

1870-71 to 1879-80......0.1.....0.9.....6.7......9.7......8.8.....4.1......1.6.....31.9
1880-81 to 1889-90........0......1.8.....7.1......8.8......7.6.....6.8......0.7.....32.8
1890-91 to 1899-00........0......3.3.....4.3......8.7....10.6.....7.1......0.8.....34.8
1900-01 to 1909-10........0......0.3.....6.2......9.1......9.2.....4.8......0.6.....30.2
1910-11 to 1919-20........0......0.2.....7.5......4.8......9.5.....8.3......2.3.....32.6
1920-21 to 1929-30......0.1.....0.1.....4.2......8.5....10.1.....2.2......0.9.....26.1
1930-31 to 1939-40........T......2.2.....4.3......6.4......8.5.....3.5......0.8.....25.7
1940-41 to 1949-50........T......0.6.....9.1......7.4......8.6.....4.8......1.1.....31.6
1950-51 to 1959-60......0.1.....0.5.....4.7......5.2......3.4.....8.0......0.8.....22.7
1960-61 to 1969-70........T......0.3.....7.4......7.7....10.6.....4.6......0.1.....30.7
1970-71 to 1979-80........T......0.3.....1.7......7.3......9.5.....2.4......0.1.....21.3
1980-81 to 1989-90........0......0.6.....2.1......7.8......5.3.....2.9......1.1.....19.8
1990-91 to 1999-00........0......0.3.....2.9......6.9......9.1.....5.4......0.2.....24.8
2000-01 to 2009-10........T........T.....7.8......6.5.....13.3.....3.5......0.4.....31.5

2010-11 to 2019-20......1.0.....1.6....6.8.....13.9......5.7.....2.8........T......31.8 as of 3/18/13

1870-71 to 2009-10........T......0.8.....5.4......7.5......8.9.....4.9......0.8.....28.3
1980-81 to 2009-10........T......0.3.....4.3......7.1......9.2.....4.0......0.6.....25.4
..................................................................................................................................................................
total snowfalls 0.1" or more
season.....total..........1........2........3........4........5........6........7........8........9......10.......11......12......13......14......15......16......17.......18......19......20
1959-60....39.2".....0.5"....0.3"..13.7"...1.8"....2.3"....0.2"....0.1"....1.0"....0.3"....0.5"...14.7"...0.2"...0.2"....1.5"....1.6"....0.3"
1960-61....54.7"...15.2"....0.1"....1.3"....2.0"....2.0"....9.9"....0.5"....0.5"....3.8"..17.4"...0.7"....1.2"
1961-62....18.1".....1.1"....0.4"....6.2"....0.2"....0.4"....2.4"....0.8"....2.9"....2.6"....0.9"....0.2"
1962-63....16.3".....1.2"....0.3"....2.7"....0.3"....0.2"....4.2"....0.9"....2.5"....1.0"....0.2"....2.0"....0.8"
1963-64....44.7".....2.3"....1.4"....6.6"....1.0"....0.2"..12.5"....0.6"....0.5"....2.4"....0.5"....0.1"....1.6"...6.8"....2.2"....1.1"....4.9"
1964-65....24.4".....0.3"....0.1"....2.7"....0.7"....6.3"....4.6"....3.2"....0.9"....1.2"....0.4"....1.1"....1.7"...1.2"
1965-66....21.4".....0.4"....2.4"....2.0"....6.8"....3.1"....0.4"....6.3"
1966-67....51.5".....1.2"....7.1"....0.8"....0.5"....0.3"....0.3"....0.3"....2.7"..12.5"...2.0"....1.7"....3.8"....0.9"....2.0"....2.6"....3.0"....9.8"
1967-68....19.5".....3.2"....1.2"....0.3"....1.0"....3.3"....0.5"....2.4"....0.4"....6.6"....0.2"....0.4"
1968-69....30.2".....5.2"....1.8"....1.0"..15.3"...1.3"....2.8"....2.8"
1969-70....25.6".....6.8"....2.3"....2.6"....3.0"....0.5"....2.6"....0.4"....3.4"....4.0"
1970-71....15.5".....0.3"....0.3"....1.8"....6.4"....2.0"....2.6"....0.4"....1.3"....0.4"
1971-72....22.9".....1.0"....1.8"....0.5"....4.7"....1.7"....5.7"....5.2"....1.0"....1.3"
1972-73......2.8".....1.8"....0.8"....0.2"
1973-74....23.5".....2.8"....1.9"....4.3"....1.6"....1.1"....0.9"....6.0"....1.4"....3.2"....0.3"
1974-75....13.1".....0.1"....0.1"....1.3"....0.7"....2.7"....7.8"....0.1"....0.3"
1975-76....17.3".....1.8"....0.5"....1.0"....1.9"....1.1"....1.6"....1.0"....4.0"....4.2"....0.2"
1976-77....24.5".....3.1"....2.0"....2.8"....2.3"....0.1"....5.2"....0.6"....1.8"....0.2"....1.0"....2.9"....1.9"....0.6"
1977-78....50.7".....0.2"....0.4"....1.0"....1.0"....3.0"....1.7"..13.6"..17.7"....4.2"....0.7"....0.4"....5.0"....1.8"
1978-79....29.4".....2.2"....0.5"....3.1"....1.3"....0.4"....1.3"....0.5"....5.0"....1.7"....0.7"..12.7"
1979-80....12.8".....3.5"....2.0"....1.6"....1.1"....4.6"
1980-81....19.4".....1.1"....0.6"....1.0"....0.1"....0.4"....1.5"....4.9"....1.2"....8.6"
1981-82....24.6".....0.3"....1.4"....0.4"....0.4"....5.8"....3.5"....0.2"....1.9"....0.3"....0.1"....0.7"....9.6"
1982-83....27.2".....3.0"....1.9"....3.9"..17.6"...0.8"
1983-84....25.4".....0.6"....1.0"....0.4"....5.1"....0.5"....0.3"....4.6"....0.2"....0.6"....0.2"....0.3"....6.9"....1.4"....3.3"
1984-85....24.1".....0.7"....4.8"....1.5"....0.6"....0.3"....4.1"....0.6"....0.5"....0.8"....4.3"....5.7"....0.2"
1985-86....13.0".....0.3"....0.4"....0.2"....0.2"....1.8"....0.2"....0.5"....4.5"....4.5"....0.4"....
1986-87....23.1".....0.6"....0.5"....1.5"....8.1"....3.5"....0.4"....2.4"....4.2"....1.9"
1987-88....19.1".....1.1"....2.6"....5.8"....5.4"....2.7"....0.9"....0.6"....
1988-89......8.1".....0.3"....5.0"....0.3"....2.5"
1989-90....13.4".....4.7"....0.1"....0.7"....0.6"....1.0"....0.8"....1.8"....3.1"....0.6"
1990-91....24.9".....7.2"....0.3"....5.7"....2.4"....0.2"....8.9"....0.2"
1991-92....12.6".....0.7"....0.2"....1.3"....1.0"....6.2"....3.2"
1992-93....24.5".....0.4"....1.1"....0.4"....1.9"....3.4"....1.0"....4.3"....0.1"....0.2"....0.3"..10.6"...0.8"
1993-94....53.4".....2.9"....4.0"....1.0"....1.2"....2.9"....2.3"....4.5"....0.1"....0.6"....9.0"..12.8"...2.6"....1.4"....5.0"....0.3"....2.8"
1994-95....11.8".....0.2"..10.8"....0.3"....0.5"
1995-96....75.6".....2.9"....1.5"....1.7"....0.5"....7.7"....0.1"....2.3"..20.2"...0.3"....2.4"....0.9"....0.2"....7.3"....1.0"....2.0"..10.7"...4.6"....4.5"....4.1"..0.7"
1996-97....10.0".....0.1"....0.9"....3.5"....2.6"....1.2"....1.0"....0.5"....0.2"
1997-98......5.5".....0.5"....5.0"
1998-99....12.7".....2.0"....2.5"....2.0"....0.2"....1.5"....4.5"
1999-00....16.3".....2.5"....5.5"....1.5"....2.2"....3.0"....0.4"....1.2"
2000-01....35.0".....0.1"....0.5"....0.8"..12.0"...1.8"....6.0"....0.5"....3.5"....0.2"....5.8"....3.5"....0.3"
2001-02......3.5".....0.5"....3.0"
2002-03....49.3".....6.0"....5.0"....0.6"....1.0"....0.6"....1.0"....1.0"....0.5"....5.3"....1.0"..19.8"....3.5"....4.0"
2003-04....42.6"...14.0"...5.8"....0.5"....5.7"....0.8"..10.3"...0.7"....3.5"....0.5"....0.8"
2004-05....41.0".....0.6"....2.1"....0.3"....0.5"....0.8"..13.8"...0.2"....5.0"....6.0"....7.7"....1.5"....1.5"....1.0"
2005-06....40.0".....2.5"....1.0"....5.8"....0.4"....2.0"..26.9"...1.3"....0.1"
2006-07....12.4".....0.4"....0.1"....0.5"....1.6"....2.0"....1.8"....0.5"....5.5"
2007-08....11.9".....1.4"....0.3"....0.2"....1.0"....2.8"....6.0"....0.2"
2008-09....27.6".....1.0"....4.5"....0.2"....0.3"....1.0"....1.0"....1.2"....1.0"....1.8"....3.0"....4.3".....8.3"
2009-10....51.4"...10.9"...1.5"....0.2"....0.6"....1.3"....1.0"..10.0"...5.0"..20.9"
2010-11....61.9".....0.1"...20.0"..1.7"....9.1"....1.0"....4.2"....1.0"..19.0"...1.1"....0.5"....3.2"....1.0"
2011-12......7.4".....2.9".....4.3"..0.2
2012-13....26.1".....4.7".....0.4"..1.5"....0.4"....0.4"..11.4"....4.0"....0.3"...3.0"

1915-16....50.7".....0.1"....6.0"....2.0"....0.7"....6.0"....0.4"....0.2"....5.3"....0.1"....1.0"....0.1"....3.2"....7.6"....4.0"....1.4"....0.2"....3.8"....0.3"....5.0"....3.3"
1919-20....47.6".....2.1"....1.9"....2.8"....2.0"....0.3"....2.9"....2.8"....1.9"....0.3"..17.5"....1.6"....0.8"....0.8"....3.9"....0.7"....2.7"....1.3"....1.3"
1922-23....60.4".....1.0"....0.6"....3.2"....0.2"....4.0"....9.0"....1.7"....0.4"....7.8"....1.7"....3.9"....6.3"....6.3"....3.1"....0.2"....0.1"....1.9"....0.9"....7.3"....0.7"....0.1"
1892-93....49.7".....2.3"....4.0"....1.5"....1.3"....0.1"....0.1"....6.0"....1.0"....5.0"....3.5"....0.5"....0.5"....3.5"....9.1"....0.1"....2.0"....0.3"....2.0"....6.0"....0.1"....0.5"
1917-18....34.5".....0.3"....2.0"....0.3"....0.1"....9.5"....0.2"....2.0"....1.0"....2.6"....5.9"....1.3"....2.4"....0.8"....0.5"....2.4"....0.4"....0.2"....2.6"
1947-48....63.2".....0.4"....2.5"..26.4"....0.3"....0.5"....0.1"....2.7"....2.2"....2.7"....3.6"....3.5"....5.1"....1.5"....0.5"....5.7"....0.8"....2.8"....1.3"....0.6"

most/least 0.1"
1995-96 20.....1997-98...2
1966-67 17.....2001-02...2
1963-64 16.....1972-73...3
1993-94 16.....2011-12...3
1959-60 15.....1988-89...4
1983-84 14.....1994-95...4
1960-61 12.....1979-80...5
1964-65 13.....1982-83...5
1976-77 13.....1998-99...6
1977-78 13.....1991-92...6
1981-82 12.....1965-66...7
2002-03 13.....1968-69...7
2004-05 13.....1990-91...7
1962-63 12.....1999-00...7
1984-85 12.....2007-08...7
1992-93 12
2000-01 12
2008-09 12

1915-16 20
1919-20 18
1922-23 21
1892-93 21
1917-18 18
1947-48 19
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snowfalls 10" or greater......
Year....date....amount"...
1872...12/26.......18.0"
1875...4/13.........10.0"
1876...2/3-4........11.0"
1877...1/1-2........13.0"
1879...1/15-16....13.0"

1888...3/12-14....21.0"

1896...3/2...........10.0"
1896...3/15-16....12.0"
1897...1/27-28....10.0"
1898...11/26-27..10.0"
1899...2/12-14....16.0"

1902...2/17..........10.0"
1905...1/24-25.....11.0"
1907...2/4-5.........11.0"
1908...1/23-24.....10.0"

1910...1/14-15.....10.0"
1912...12/24........11.4"
1914...3/1-2.........14.5"
1915...4/3-4.........10.2"
1916...12/15........12.7"

1920...2/4-7.........17.5"
1921...2/20..........12.5"
1925...1/2............11.5"
1926...2/3-4.........10.4"
1926...2/9-10.......12.0"

1933...2/11..........10.0"
1933...12/26........11.2"
1935...1/23-24.....13.0"

1941...3/7-8.........18.1"
1947...2/20-21.....10.7"
1947...12/26-27...26.4"
1948...12/19-20...16.0"

1956...3/18-19.....11.6"
1958...3/19-20.....11.8"
1959...12/21-22...13.7"

1960...3/3-4.........14.5"
1960...12/11-12...15.2"
1961...2/3-4.........17.4"
1964...1/12-13.....12.5"
1967...2/7............12.5"
1969...2/9-10.......15.3"

1978...1/19-20.....13.6"
1978...2/6-7.........17.7"
1979...2/19..........12.7"

1983...2/11-12.....17.6"

1993...3/13-14.....10.6"
1994...2/11..........12.8"
1995...2/4............10.8"
1996...1/7-8.........20.2"
1996...2/16-17.....10.7"

2000...12/30........12.0"
2003...2/16-17.....19.8"
2003...12/5-6.......14.0"
2004...1/28..........10.4"
2005...1/22-23.....13.8"
2006...2/11-12.....26.9"
2009...12/19-20...10.9"

2010...2/9-10.......10.0"
2010...2/25-26.....20.9"
2010...12/26-27...20.0"
2011...1/25-26.....19.0"

2013...2/8-9.........11.4"

1870's...5
1880's...1
1890's...5
1900's...4
1910's...5
1920's...5
1930's...3
1940's...4
1950's...3
1960's...6
1970's...3
1980's...1
1990's...5
2000's...7
2010's...5
................................................................................................
30" in 30 days...
The short list...
02/24-03/24, 1896.....32.0"
02/06-03/07, 1914.....35.2"
12/26-01/24, 1948.....43.4"
01/15-02/13, 1961.....34.1"
01/16-02/14, 1978.....37.2"
02/02-03/03, 1994.....30.8"
12/14-01/12, 1996.....35.2"
01/28-02/26, 2010.....38.2"
01/07-02/05, 2011.....37.6"

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#2
JBG

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So where does this rank in terms of the amount of accumulation for any November snowfall?

#3
Isotherm

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I would think at least for Monmouth County, the 12-13" puts this November up near 2nd snowiest on record. I think 1898 might have been snowier - but to go back that far - is impressive.

#4
Chaser25973

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Which years did it snow in November in NYC and out of those, which years were either weak El Nino or positive neutral? How much snow did we get those years?

Oh and out of those years, how many of them had a major hurricane hitting us? (kidding)

#5
uncle W

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So where does this rank in terms of the amount of accumulation for any November snowfall?

Greatest monthly snowfall...
19.0" in 1898
14.0" in 1882
12.8" in 1938
_6.3" in 1892
_5.0" in 1896
Biggest snowfalls...
10.0" 11/26-27/1898
9.5" 11/29/30/1882 est...
8.8" 11/24-25/1938
6.0" 11/30/1898
5.0" 11/29-30/1896
4.7" 11/07/2012
4.7" 11/22-23/1989
4.0" 11/29-30/1892
4.0" 11/26-27/1938
3.7" 11/26/1882 est...
3.7" 11/29-30/1945
3.2" 11/30/1967
2.9" 11/30/1995

#6
Kaner587

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Notice the dates....by over 2wks this is the earliest significant snow on record

#7
uncle W

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Notice the dates....by over 2wks this is the earliest significant snow on record

I remember walking to school in 1961 when we had our first freeze around this date...I was 12 years old...The puddles were frozen for the first time...That was the first sign of winter...No subtlely to the first sign the last two years...

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snowfalls 2.7" or more...
season.....total...........1.........2.........3.........4........5........6........7........8........
1959-60....39.2".....13.7"...14.7"...
1960-61....54.7".....15.2".....9.9".....3.8"..17.4"...
1961-62....18.1".......6.2".....2.9"
1962-63....16.3".......2.7".....4.2"....
1963-64....44.7".......6.6"...12.5".....6.8"....4.9"
1964-65....24.4".......2.7".....6.3".....4.6"....3.2"....
1965-66....21.4".......6.8".....3.1".....6.3"
1966-67....51.5".......7.1".....2.7"...12.5"....3.8".....3.0"....9.8"
1967-68....19.5".......3.2".....3.3".....6.6"....
1968-69....30.2".......5.2"...15.3".....2.8"....2.8"
1969-70....25.6".......6.8".....3.0".....3.4"....4.0"
1970-71....15.5".......6.4".....
1971-72....22.9".......4.7".....5.7"....5.2"....
1972-73......2.8".......1.8"....
1973-74....23.5".......2.8".....4.3"....6.0"....3.2"....
1974-75....13.1".......2.7".....7.8"....
1975-76....17.3".......4.0".....4.2"....
1976-77....24.5".......3.1".....2.8"....5.2"....2.9"....
1977-78....50.7".......3.0"...13.6"..17.7"....4.2".....5.0".
1978-79....29.4".......3.1".....5.0"..12.7"
1979-80....12.8".......3.5".....4.6"
1980-81....19.4".......4.9".....8.6"
1981-82....24.6".......5.8".....3.5"....9.6"
1982-83....27.2".......3.0".....3.9"..17.6"...
1983-84....25.4".......5.1".....4.6"....6.9"....3.3"
1984-85....24.1".......4.8".....4.1"....4.3"....5.7"....
1985-86....13.0".......4.5".....4.5".....
1986-87....23.1".......8.1".....3.5"....4.2"....
1987-88....19.1".......5.8".....5.4"....2.7".....
1988-89......8.1".......5.0".....
1989-90....13.4".......4.7".....3.1"....
1990-91....24.9".......7.2".....5.7"....8.9"
1991-92....12.6".......6.2".....3.2"
1992-93....24.5".......3.4".....4.3"..10.6"...
1993-94....53.4".......2.9".....4.0"....2.9"....4.5"....9.0"..12.8"....5.0"....2.8"
1994-95....11.8".....10.8"....
1995-96....75.6".......2.9".....7.7"..20.2"....7.3"..10.7"....4.6"....4.5"....4.1"..
1996-97....10.0".......3.5"....
1997-98......5.5".......5.0"
1998-99....12.7".......4.5"
1999-00....16.3".......5.5".....3.0"....
2000-01....35.0".....12.0".....6.0"....3.5"....5.8"....3.5"....
2001-02......3.5".......3.0"
2002-03....49.3".......6.0".....5.0"....5.3"..19.8"....3.5"....4.0"
2003-04....42.6".....14.0".....5.8"....5.7"..10.3"....3.5"....
2004-05....41.0".....13.8".....5.0"....6.0"....7.7"....
2005-06....40.0".......5.8"...26.9"...
2006-07....12.4".......5.5"
2007-08....11.9".......2.8".....6.0"....
2008-09....27.6".......4.5".....3.0"....4.3".....8.3"
2009-10....51.4".....10.9"...10.0"....5.0"...20.9"
2010-11....61.9".....20.0".....9.1"....4.2"...19.0"....3.2".
2011-12......7.4".......2.9".....4.3"..
2012-13....26.1".......4.7"...11.4"....4.0".....3.0"



#8
Isotherm

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Looking at New Brunswick's records, 16" was the snowiest November in 1898, then 1938 2nd place with 12".

However, for 12-13" to fall in early November in Monmouth County is definitely the biggest snowstorm this early in the season. I'd imagine it'd be equivalent to like mid/late April.

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I hope this early snow is not a repeat of last year and the winter ends up a bust. A man can only dream of more snow.

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Looking at New Brunswick's records, 16" was the snowiest November in 1898, then 1938 2nd place with 12".

However, for 12-13" to fall in early November in Monmouth County is definitely the biggest snowstorm this early in the season. I'd imagine it'd be equivalent to like mid/late April.



How was the 38-39 winter for the area? Find it very similar to what the area has experienced this fall..

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How was the 38-39 winter for the area? Find it very similar to what the area has experienced this fall..


http://www.livinghis...0s/life_02.html

It's interesting that we seem to be experiencing a repeat of 1930s weather.

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New York City's snowiest periods...
30 day period...snowfall...big snow...precip...temp...max/min...max snow depth...
02/24-03/24/1896....32.0"....12.0"........6.33"...31.1.....54...13............12"
02/06-03/07/1914....35.2"....14.5"........6.38"...24.9.....49....-3............15"
12/26-01/24/1948....43.4"....26.4"........6.56"...27.6.....44.....0............26"
01/15-02/13/1961....34.1"....17.4"........3.72"...24.5.....50....-2............25"
01/16-02/14/1978....37.2"....17.7"........7.18"...26.1.....58...10............18"
02/02-03/03/1994....30.8"....12.8"........4.34"...30.8.....62.....7............22"
12/14-01/12/1996....35.2"....20.2"........4.84"...28.1.....44.....6............20"
02/06-03/07/2003....29.7"....19.3"........5.96"...30.3.....51.....8............20"
01/28-02/26/2010....38.2"....20.9"........6.77"...31.4.....46...13............21"
01/07-02/05/2011....37.6"....19.0"........5.93"...28.5.....43.....6............23"
500mb maps for these periods starting 1/1/1948...

Attached Files



#13
Isotherm

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Nice post Uncle. Here in Monmouth County, late Jan-late Feb 2010 featured 48" of snow, and late dec to late jan 2010-11 was around 55". We certainly can't complain.

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Nice post Uncle. Here in Monmouth County, late Jan-late Feb 2010 featured 48" of snow, and late dec to late jan 2010-11 was around 55". We certainly can't complain.


Monmouth County does pretty well for themselves, snow wise.

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Monmouth County does pretty well for themselves, snow wise.



I'm very interested to see what the rest of this decade has in store for us. In terms of climate cycles, the 2000s should have been similar to the 1950s given the transiton to -PDO, +AMO, and gradual decrease in the NAO. However, snowfall averages for the 2000-2010 period were the same as the 1960s (at least for me - 34.1" in the 2000s here, and New Brunswick recorded 34" in the 60s). So it'll be interesting to see the next several years given a continued -PDO, -NAO in the decadal sense, and an Atlantic that will generally cool in the next 5-10 years.

Can we pencil in two consecutive decades with big snowfall averages? We'll see. I feel like we had some bonus years in the 2000s that we didn't entirely deserve given the climatic cycles. Those early 2000s good winters were primary +NAO dominant as well (03-04, 04-05, 06-07, etc).

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so what, if anything, do we make of the fact that we've gotten historic early snowfalls in back to back years?

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uncle W

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I'm very interested to see what the rest of this decade has in store for us. In terms of climate cycles, the 2000s should have been similar to the 1950s given the transiton to -PDO, +AMO, and gradual decrease in the NAO. However, snowfall averages for the 2000-2010 period were the same as the 1960s (at least for me - 34.1" in the 2000s here, and New Brunswick recorded 34" in the 60s). So it'll be interesting to see the next several years given a continued -PDO, -NAO in the decadal sense, and an Atlantic that will generally cool in the next 5-10 years.

Can we pencil in two consecutive decades with big snowfall averages? We'll see. I feel like we had some bonus years in the 2000s that we didn't entirely deserve given the climatic cycles. Those early 2000s good winters were primary +NAO dominant as well (03-04, 04-05, 06-07, etc).

seven of the ten periods had near or above 6" of precipitation...A ten to one ratio would mean 60" of snow if it was all snow...1961 had the least amount of precipitation but was the coldest period...16 days in a row with temperatures below 30...Since 1971 precipitation is averaging 20% over what the average was from 1869-1970...Since 1994 we got five of the snowiest periods on record...I've lived through seven and the first one was the best...1961...

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so what, if anything, do we make of the fact that we've gotten historic early snowfalls in back to back years?


I think they had similar happenings in Europe circa 1315 AD...mean temperatures then dropped about 7 F over the next 20 years...the native peoples in this area likely dealt with a climate more like current day Portland, Maine in the ensuing years.

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I think they had similar happenings in Europe circa 1315 AD...mean temperatures then dropped about 7 F over the next 20 years...the native peoples in this area likely dealt with a climate more like current day Portland, Maine in the ensuing years.


I think the medieval war period was much longer lasting, or at the very least, the cold you are referring to did not take place until the 1700's with the little ice age. I think the Thames froze over then and the vikings were forced to leave Greenland.

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I think the medieval war period was much longer lasting, or at the very least, the cold you are referring to did not take place until the 1700's with the little ice age. I think the Thames froze over then and the vikings were forced to leave Greenland.



The LIA started in the 1300s, however, the coldest period happened in the 1600s.

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Pamela

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The LIA started in the 1300s, however, the coldest period happened in the 1600s.


There was a short respite during the 16th century....then it got cold again.

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The LIA started in the 1300s, however, the coldest period happened in the 1600s.


Per tree rings and ice cores from Greenland, the first signs of a trend towards colder go back as early as 1200 AD....but as far as where most of the people lived...it was not experienced till the early 1300's.

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nyc area has had some mind bogglingly good winter storms over the past ten or so years, incredible snowfall rates and deep snow, thunder snow.


past decade is really an amazing time down that way, during this last event it reminded me of 1/26-27/11 with the blinding snow and the dark greens and yellows on the radar just encompassing the whole metro area.

simply an epic stretch for you guys but climo has to rear its ugly head eventually.

you guys have experienced snowfall rates and rapid snowfalls (a foot in a few hrs etc) that i still have yet to see where i live. its all been to the south by at least thrity or forty miles.

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Isotherm

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simply an epic stretch for you guys but climo has to rear its ugly head eventually.





That's what you think. Climo's overrated, besides we threw the climo gods a bone last year. This winter brings us back to the status quo of 40" winters in NYC, or in my case, 50" is now status quo.

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simply an epic stretch for you guys but climo has to rear its ugly head eventually.


we've had plenty of duds.

the tendency has been all or nothing.

but the "all" has been glorious.

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we've had plenty of duds.

the tendency has been all or nothing.

but the "all" has been glorious.

the last 20 winters had nine great winters...two good ones and nine lousy ones...11 years had a storm 10" or more...
season...snowfall...largest snowfalls
1995-96.....75.6".....20.2"...10.7".....7.7"...7.5"...
2010-11.....61.9".....20.0"...19.0".....9.1"
1993-94.....53.4".....12.8".....9.0"
2009-10.....51.4".....10.9"...10.0"...20.9"
2002-03.....49.3".....19.8".....6.0"
2003-04.....42.6".....14.0"...10.3"
2004-05.....41.0".....13.8".....7.7".....6.0"
2005-06.....40.0".....26.9"
2000-01.....35.0".....12.0".....6.0"

2008-09.....27.6".......8.3"
1992-93.....24.6".....10.6"

1999-00.....16.3".......5.5"
1998-99.....12.7".......4.5"
2006-07.....12.4".......5.5"
2007-08.....11.9".......6.0"
1994-95.....11.8".....10.8"
1996-97.....10.0".......3.5"
2011-12.......7.4".......4.3"
1997-98.......5.5".......5.0"
2001-02.......3.5".......3.0"

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green tube

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the last 20 winters had nine great winters...two good ones and nine lousy ones...11 years had a storm 10" or more...


a few years ago i was looking at the snow records from rutgers at new brunswick.
historically the numbers are extremely similar to central park. and i remember breaking the numbers down, and basically over a 100 year period.... (roughly 1895 to 1995).......

1/3rd of all winters had less than 20"

1/3rd had between 20 and 30"

1/3rd had over 30"

but as your numbers show, in the last 20 years only 2 winters had between 20 and 30"

that's kinda crazy.

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I hope this early snow is not a repeat of last year and the winter ends up a bust. A man can only dream of more snow.

October snows seem to lead inexorably to busts. Think Octobers of 1972,1979 and 2011. November has a more mixed record. 1989 was followed by a bust. 1995 was quite definitely not.

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the list of indices for NYC 10" snowfalls...AO/PNA/NAO/Enso...

snowstorm...date......AO......PNA......NAO......Enso/MEI....
12" 03/18/1956....0.470....0.186.....-0.225.....La Nina
12" 03/20/1958...-2.522....0.067.....-0.830.....El Nino
14" 12/21/1959....1.266....0.114......1.032.....Neutral-
15" 03/03/1960...-1.265...-0.834......0.249.....Neutral-
15" 12/11/1960...-0.343....1.527.....-0.316.....Neutral-
10" 01/19/1961...-1.506....1.587......0.392.....Neutral-
18" 02/03/1961....0.621....0.489.....-0.126.....Neutral-
13" 01/12/1964....0.385....0.654.....-1.180.....Weak El Nino
15" 02/06/1967....1.180....0.732......0.230.....Weak La Nina
15" 02/09/1969...-3.114...-0.325......0.044.....Weak El Nino
14" 01/19/1978...-0.347....0.262......0.230.....Weak El Nino
18" 02/06/1978...-3.014....1.188.....-0.093.....Weak El Nino
13" 02/19/1979...-0.697...-0.042......0.254.....Neutral+
18" 02/11/1983...-1.806....0.845.....-0.567.....El Nino
10" 03/13/1993....0.764...-0.179......0.472.....Weak El Nino
13" 02/11/1994...-0.862...-0.454......0.927.....Neutral+
11" 02/04/1995....1.429....1.604......0.437.....El Nino
20" 01/08/1996...-1.200....0.447.....-0.392.....Weak La Nina
11" 02/16/1996....0.163...-0.421......0.534.....Weak La Nina
12" 12/30/2000...-2.354....1.075.....-0.537.....Weak La Nina
20" 02/16/2003....0.128....0.681......0.836.....El Nino
14" 12/05/2003....0.265....0.784.....-0.197.....Neutral+
10" 01/25/2004...-1.686....0.164.....-0.541.....Neutral+
14" 01/25/2005....0.356....1.098.....-0.035.....El Nino
27" 02/11/2006...-0.156....1.658......0.136.....Neutral-
11" 12/19/2009...-3.413....0.549.....-1.833.....El Nino
10" 02/09/2010...-4.266....0.622.....-1.136.....El Nino
21" 02/25/2010...-3.818....0.087.....-0.219.....El Nino
20" 12/26/2010...-2.631...-0.284.....-0.834.....La Nina
19" 01/26/2011...-1.683....1.233.....-0.142.....La Nina

11" 02/09/2013...-0.700....0.403......0.219.....neutral-

11" 01/21/2014...-1.843....1.172......0.137.....neutral-

10" 02/13/2104....0.182...-1.097......0.690.....neutral-



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18.8" now officially in Central Park but some small events went under measured...The latest storm is the fifth storm 10" or more since 2010...it's the fourth storm 10" or more on Feb. 9-10th...



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18.8" now officially in Central Park but some small events went under measured...The latest storm is the fifth storm 10" or more since 2010...it's the fourth storm 10" or more on Feb. 9-10th...

I have now seen 1ft (assuming that 11.4 in central park could be called basically a foot) 7 times since Dec 2009. Prior to that jan 2005, feb 2003, (wasn't around for feb 2006). Dec 2003 ? was also like 14 IIRC in central park. These were seen in varying areas though, in westchester, long island and manhattan. I was also in syracuse for 4 years, but it wouldn't be fair to count the times I saw a foot up there :snowman:  (surprisingly only 3-4 times individual totals of 12+)

 

Interestingly enough I have missed out on some biggies, either on vacation or in college...some notables

 

Dec 2000

Dec 2002

Feb 2006

Dec 2010

Nov 2012

 

2 blizzards an MECS and 2 SECS. Thank god I was here for this one.



#32
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Mount Vernon, NY is officially up to 32.5" of snow for the season. Could break the 40" mark by the end of this week.

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nzucker

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Mount Vernon, NY is officially up to 32.5" of snow for the season. Could break the 40" mark by the end of this week.

 

I have 36" here so that makes sense..



#34
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Central Park should be over 23 inches on the season after todays storm. Hopefully the park can exceed 25 inches with more potential going forward.

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uncle W

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Central Park should be over 23 inches on the season after todays storm. Hopefully the park can exceed 25 inches with more potential going forward.

Central park looks like it was short changed again...The 4" that fell brings the seasons total to 22.8"...Not to bad considering...





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