Summer update III: SNE region's 4 primary climo sites all remain solidly above normal as of the closing of July 14.
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Typhoon Tip
, 15 Jul 2012 07:09 PM
#1
Posted 15 July 2012 - 07:09 PM
I, and I suspect a few others, are interested in genuine Meteorological discussion/obs/ and forecast speculation based upon clad reasoning more than that nonsense that now describes the last 5 or so pages of the last thread. Lets keep this one clean? Thanks!
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What I find fascinating is this is the AO/NAO are positive, and neutralizing respectively from today going forward, yet these operational versions seem to be "cheating" in a sense. The domain of the NAO is clearly positive heading into D7 in the operational runs (CPC's nightly computation has it at near 0.0, about a total 1.5SD recovery in all members), yet they are still balling up this -3SD quasi closed polar stream vortex and trundling it through Ontario. At 72 hours the 12z Euro even plots an area near 0C at 850mb near the SE tip of James Bay! By then, its depiction of the surrounding medium has the D. Straight and Greenland regions neutralized to even ever so slightly negative; which in effect means that trough core in Ontario should not exists. Yet here we are a mere 72 hours out and both operational Euro and GFS won't give up.
Back when the current 72 hour prog was still the late middle to extended ranges, the region was supposed to be up under a ridge. The depictions back then were, and still are actually a much better fit. This is could a text lesson in anomalies relative to anomalies, which does sometimes occur. Frankly, all of last winter was that if you ask me ... but that's a different debate. Originally, we were set to have a 2 shot at warmth, followed by a brief recess with convection - that's tonight actually - but then as the shear axis left over from the Midwest came through, the ridge was then set to bulge in, probably bringing us the hottest regional verification of the year. Thankfully for those that hate heat, this anomalous flow that has evolved in the models since then may just save the area.
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What I find fascinating is this is the AO/NAO are positive, and neutralizing respectively from today going forward, yet these operational versions seem to be "cheating" in a sense. The domain of the NAO is clearly positive heading into D7 in the operational runs (CPC's nightly computation has it at near 0.0, about a total 1.5SD recovery in all members), yet they are still balling up this -3SD quasi closed polar stream vortex and trundling it through Ontario. At 72 hours the 12z Euro even plots an area near 0C at 850mb near the SE tip of James Bay! By then, its depiction of the surrounding medium has the D. Straight and Greenland regions neutralized to even ever so slightly negative; which in effect means that trough core in Ontario should not exists. Yet here we are a mere 72 hours out and both operational Euro and GFS won't give up.
Back when the current 72 hour prog was still the late middle to extended ranges, the region was supposed to be up under a ridge. The depictions back then were, and still are actually a much better fit. This is could a text lesson in anomalies relative to anomalies, which does sometimes occur. Frankly, all of last winter was that if you ask me ... but that's a different debate. Originally, we were set to have a 2 shot at warmth, followed by a brief recess with convection - that's tonight actually - but then as the shear axis left over from the Midwest came through, the ridge was then set to bulge in, probably bringing us the hottest regional verification of the year. Thankfully for those that hate heat, this anomalous flow that has evolved in the models since then may just save the area.
#2
Posted 15 July 2012 - 07:20 PM
Rain here, nice to wet the parched ground from all the high number of dry low DP days we had. More on the way Wed then back to chamber 83/58 Sunny days.
#3
Posted 15 July 2012 - 07:27 PM
Finally getting a little rain here. We dropped my son off at boy scout camp on the slopes of Mt Monadnock. Man was it dusty there
#4
Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:02 PM
69/68, drizzle, nice to get a dose of rain. Always like the smell of the earth after a Summer rain.
#5
Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:20 PM
Pretty steady rain right now.
#6
Posted 15 July 2012 - 10:01 PM
Nothing here. We'll see if any rain blossoms, but my pessimism for here will probably work out unfortunately.
#7
Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:09 AM
66/66, some good rain last night. The birds seem particularly chipper this AM.
#8
Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:24 AM
Just a few hundredths at my sprawling estate. PWM managed to find .35" in their bucket. Whetting the appetite without satiating it.
#9
Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:21 AM
NAM/GFS show debris clouds moving in tomorrow. Might put a lid on temps.
#10
Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:25 AM
If there were no clouds, tomorrow could be an all out furnace. However, I think upstream convection may send crap to the southeast. Won't really know until the morning.
#11
Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:35 AM
NAM/EC slowed down the Wed fropa a bit. Looks like a hot one for BOS S &W.NAM/GFS show debris clouds moving in tomorrow. Might put a lid on temps.
#12
Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:38 AM
NAM/EC slowed down the Wed fropa a bit. Looks like a hot one for BOS S &W.
Yeah that could be really hot I-90 on south. Going up north Friday for 8 days...looking forward to cooler wx into the weekend.
#13
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:02 AM
Got a whopping .15" here at the Pit. Looking forward to the cool down after tomorrow.
#14
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:16 AM
Wed is going to be a very warm day even around here, should be a dowslope dandy
#15
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:19 AM
74/72
Finally have some respectable humidity.
Finally have some respectable humidity.
#16
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:27 AM
Wednesday has +20C at 850 almost all day over CT/RI/SE MA. If the front is slow enough, I could see mid to upper 90s there.
#17
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:32 AM
Will today be day 4 straight for BOS? Day 5/6 see easier so if it happens today it will be the longest run since 2002?
#18
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:34 AM
Will today be day 4 straight for BOS? Day 5/6 see easier so if it happens today it will be the longest run since 2002?
I think your area probably beat that in 2010.
#19
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:34 AM
Thats pretty impressive in a summer with weak heat waves Jerry, Very quietly we are approaching the point of no return in regards to warmest year in recorded history.Will today be day 4 straight for BOS? Day 5/6 see easier so if it happens today it will be the longest run since 2002?
#20
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:36 AM
Really? Nothing close to that here.Will today be day 4 straight for BOS? Day 5/6 see easier so if it happens today it will be the longest run since 2002?
Monsoon in the southwest
#21
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:37 AM
The 5th heatwave of this nasty hot summer begins today in CT,
Euro aboslutely torches us again days 8-10. Hopefully Don was correct
Euro aboslutely torches us again days 8-10. Hopefully Don was correct
#22
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:37 AM
So lets run down on the next hour will go. Pete will come in and say a bear went through his shed and paste the p & C for 2k and claim it has not been warm. Kevin will then post the dewpoint of some offshore buoy and verbatim give an incorrect depiction of the d10 euro op. Just another morning in the SNE subforum.
#23
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:38 AM
AKFSTNAM/EC slowed down the Wed fropa a bit. Looks like a hot one for BOS S &W.
#24
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:38 AM
I think your area probably beat that in 2010.
I did a fast look and didn't see that. We did 5 straight 8/29-9/2.
#25
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:40 AM
I did a fast look and didn't see that. We did 5 straight 8/29-9/2.
Well I mean just inland. The interior absolutely roasted in 2010...I mean roasted.
Early next week looks like another warm to hot spell before a mild down mid to late week.
#26
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:41 AM
The 5th heatwave of this nasty hot summer begins today in CT,
Euro aboslutely torches us again days 8-10. Hopefully Don was correct
That's such a weak stat. Because Sunday failed to deliver we'll have two measley 3 day heat waves. Instead of one more impressive streak that turned into a fail.
#27
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:43 AM
Well I mean just inland. The interior absolutely roasted in 2010...I mean roasted.
Early next week looks like another warm to hot spell before a mild down mid to late week.
#28
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:45 AM
Yup..would have been nicer if we could have done 7 straight days of over 90..instead we have 2 heatwaves broken up by a day of light sprinkles/showers for 95% of us..and dews in the 70'sThat's such a weak stat. Because Sunday failed to deliver we'll have two measley 3 day heat waves. Instead of one more impressive streak that turned into a fail.
#29
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:45 AM
I don't quite see it as a cool down, unless somehow waves develop along the front and we get rain. Looks like AWT...above normal but no blowtorch.
#30
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:46 AM
I would call Thur- Sat and then later next week a warm down. A warm down is when temps and dews drop some, but still are above normal.I don't quite see it as a cool down, unless somehow waves develop along the front and we get rain. Looks like AWT...above normal but no blowtorch.
A mild down is when temps drop to normal or even slightly below.
#31
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:49 AM
I would call Thur- Sat and then later next week a warm down. A warm down is when temps and dews drop some, but still are above normal.
A mild down is when temps drop to normal or even slightly below.
Sounds like a weenie down.
#32
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:49 AM
How many 90s has KTOL hit?Yup..would have been nicer if we could have done 7 straight days of over 90..instead we have 2 heatwaves broken up by a day of light sprinkles/showers for 95% of us..and dews in the 70's
#33
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:51 AM
How many 90s has KTOL hit?
Amazingly, his dewpoint has registered higher than his actual temp. Another Tolland lapse rate miracle.
#34
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:52 AM
These are the types of posts that Ryan says degrades the board..Please stopAmazingly, his dewpoint has registered higher than his actual temp. Another Tolland lapse rate miracle.
#35
Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:53 AM
One day the source regions in canada for these cool fronts will actually be born outta near normal or (horror) below normal temps. In the mean time the weather pukes on for the cp of sne
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