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[hvysnow79]

 Allenson, on 14 January 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Yeah, I see the trans-Atlantic flights all the time going back & forth to/from Europe. The ones I'm talking about fly real low, north-south and back again, over and over. They are a little to our east often, so maybe they're over the Whites.

We are in the southwest corner of Yankee 1 and 2, which is a designated area for the military to train. A lot of the time it will be the 16's from Burlington, but also will be F-15's and A-10's from Mass Guard, and probably other units as well. Also the refuelers from Pease do training runs, although they look more like commercial airliners. I have seen on several occassions at night seeing the refuelers actually refuleing. As you you can see two planes right next to each other, pretty cool looking. Before moving up here I worked for and also was in MA Air Guard for the 102nd Fighter Wing. Our F-15's would fly up here quite often. Generally they would come up this way when conditions out over the ocean weren't good for flights.

I have inlcuded this link of some air charts and you can see the Yankee 1 and 2 areas.
http://skyvector.com...chart=15&zoom=3

[adk]

today was fun. going to be COLD tonight here in stowe. Thinking -10f. KSLK will hit -20s

[klw]

-1f already. Should radiate well.

[powderfreak]

 adk, on 14 January 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

today was fun. going to be COLD tonight here in stowe. Thinking -10f. KSLK will hit -20s

You guys must've gotten some ridiculous pictures... knowing how good GP is at catching someone going deep in this type of snow.

Best day of the season so far... no doubt about it and I've skied 'em all, lol.

[J.Spin]

Event totals: 11.7” Snow/0.91” L.E.

We picked up another tenth of an inch of snow today at our location, to finish off the event at 11.7”, and bring the season snowfall to 54.0”. The temperature was around 10 F at the house (495’) mid morning, and we headed up to Bolton Valley where the temperature in the village (2,100’) was 3 F. That’s pretty chilly, but fortunately there was minimal wind and it was at least manageable – we’d brought hand and boot warmer packets for the boys, and they decided that they needed fire them up after their first run. The new snow was nice; there were some effects of the wind in that we saw some drifting, but the winds couldn’t have been that bad because we only encountered minimal wind slab around on the powder. I noticed that the Mt. Mansfield Stake was up to 34” today; that looks to be about 8” below average, but the snowpack is at least getting there thanks to this last event. Up at Bolton I was able to get a reading on the snowpack in a protected spot in the Villager Trees, and it was at 30 inches:



Some details from the 2:00 P.M. Waterbury observations are below:

New Snow: 0.1 inches
New Liquid: Trace
Temperature: 12.4 F
Sky: Partly Cloudy
Snow at the stake: 11.0 inches

[Hitman]

 adk, on 14 January 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

today was fun. going to be COLD tonight here in stowe. Thinking -10f. KSLK will hit -20s

Thats an understatement. minus 2.9 here at 1500'.
Didnt get as much last night as we hoped but no complaints. Blew into the woods. Much fun.

[J.Spin]

 J.Spin, on 14 January 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:

I’ve added the storm totals for the Vermont ski areas that I’ve seen update so far below; I’ll update these later when resorts report/revise:

Now that the rest of the Vermont ski areas have reported in, I’ve updated the storm totals below. I checked all the resort websites for their numbers and comments, although for some places that don’t really supply the 48-hour numbers, I had to go with the Ski Vermont numbers. Jay Peak must have reassessed their measurement because it went up a few inches and is close to the two foot mark:

Jay Peak: 23”
Burke: 12”
Smuggler’s Notch: 15”
Stowe: 18”
Bolton Valley: 15”
Mad River Glen: 16”
Sugarbush: 18”
Middlebury: 13”
Suicide Six: 8”
Pico: 14”
Killington: 14”
Okemo: 8”
Bromley: 10”
Magic Mountain: 12”
Stratton: 12”
Mount Snow: 11”

[J.Spin]

 Ginx, on 14 January 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Chris M is there and concurs a foot down
from JSPIN
Jay Peak: 19”Smuggler’s Notch: 15”Stowe: 18”Bolton Valley: 15”Mad River Glen: 16”Sugarbush: 16”Pico: 14”Killington: 14”Mount Snow: 17”

For Mount Snow, I based the number on that text below their snow report table – it seemed like that was the storm total the way they wrote it:

[mreaves]

Just drove back from Essex Jct. in and out of diamond dust the whole way. 0F there, -6F here.

[J.Spin]

 powderfreak, on 14 January 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

10" overnight, 12" last 24 hours at 1,500ft

12" overnight, 14" last 24 hours at 3,000ft

It looks like those are your SSE & SSW Smuggler’s Notch data in the storm totals PF – really cool to have data coming out of those mountain areas, you can see how they stand out among a lot of the data. I added in the storm totals map and table for below for archiving in the thread:

[J.Spin]

 Ginx, on 14 January 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

AWT, congrats waist deep powdah day.

The shot below is from today at Bolton Valley – that’s on Telemark gear, but still, a pretty nice day:

[CT Rain]

00z GFS has some nice snow for N Greens Tuesday night.

[drew13btv]

Is it just me or did BTV dangerously downplay Friday's event?

[powderfreak]

Currently...

4,000ft... -18F (wind chill -48F)
3,600ft... -17F
2,500ft... -14F
1,500ft... -9F (with a breeze it really wakes you up at o'dark thirty)

[Hitman]

 powderfreak, on 15 January 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

Currently...

4,000ft... -18F (wind chill -48F)
3,600ft... -17F
2,500ft... -14F
1,500ft... -9F (with a breeze it really wakes you up at o'dark thirty)

COLD.JPG

Sweet! Should keep many of the "non-comitted" off the hill. More for me and good for local shopping purveryers.

[powderfreak]

 J.Spin, on 14 January 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

It looks like those are your SSE & SSW Smuggler’s Notch data in the storm totals PF – really cool to have data coming out of those mountain areas, you can see how they stand out among a lot of the data. I added in the storm totals map and table for below for archiving in the thread:

Yep, those were my reports. The NWS guys said they really like having the 3,000ft snow board readings because their program can then extrapolate those to other high elevation areas around here. In the past the only high elevation reports they have had were from the Mansfield co-op which is known to be low because of collection method.

For example, the Co-Op recorded 7" of snow for this event, and that sounds about right for them as I've noticed this season that my snow board seems to collect around twice as much snow as their 8-inch rain gauge. And there's no way that only 7" fell up there in the maximum upslope region at 3,000ft+ on the Spine. If you skied up here you would have encountered snow significantly deeper than 7".



At 2:30pm-ish on Friday I cleared 3.5" off the 3,000ft snow board from some heavy squalls that moved through that afternoon with the cold front (there was nothing on the board at 9am), then by the time I was able to get up there again on Saturday morning another 11" had fallen for a 24 hour total of 14.5".

[Allenson]

C-c-c-cold out there this morning. -14F currently and for the low. Glad I don't have to start the rig anytime soon this morning.

 hvysnow79, on 14 January 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

We are in the southwest corner of Yankee 1 and 2, which is a designated area for the military to train. A lot of the time it will be the 16's from Burlington, but also will be F-15's and A-10's from Mass Guard, and probably other units as well. Also the refuelers from Pease do training runs, although they look more like commercial airliners. I have seen on several occassions at night seeing the refuelers actually refuleing. As you you can see two planes right next to each other, pretty cool looking. Before moving up here I worked for and also was in MA Air Guard for the 102nd Fighter Wing. Our F-15's would fly up here quite often. Generally they would come up this way when conditions out over the ocean weren't good for flights.

I have inlcuded this link of some air charts and you can see the Yankee 1 and 2 areas.
http://skyvector.com...chart=15&zoom=3

Thanks for info man. Good stuff. I wondered about A-10s as they seem to be flying low and slow when they go over here. Tractors in the sky.

My father worked at Pease for years when I was a kid--hence my Seacoast NH connections (plus my mother's family is from that area). We took the KC-135s to Europe and back a few times when I was in junior high/high school. I loved laying down in the "boom-pod", which they let us do, and watch the landscape roll along beneath us. I have a vivid memory of coming back from Europe and watching the Canadian Maritimes unfold below us as we approached NH.

[Allenson]

 drew13btv, on 15 January 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Is it just me or did BTV dangerously downplay Friday's event?

Well the WWAs in place and had they "heavy snow" in their wording. They upgraded the spine to a WSW at some point I think. Meh, the weather that day was nothing we haven't seen many times before.

[Ginx]

 powderfreak, on 15 January 2012 - 07:04 AM, said:

Yep, those were my reports.  The NWS guys said they really like having the 3,000ft snow board readings because their program can then extrapolate those to other high elevation areas around here.  In the past the only high elevation reports they have had were from the Mansfield co-op which is known to be low because of collection method.

nice bro Pete REPETE this week?

[powderfreak]

 Allenson, on 15 January 2012 - 07:16 AM, said:

Well the WWAs in place and had they "heavy snow" in their wording. They upgraded the spine to a WSW at some point I think. Meh, the weather that day was nothing we haven't seen many times before.

Yeah, agreed. I heard a lot of folks saying where did this come from, the weather man never said anything about it. But yet I watched Tom M. on Channel 5 on Thursday night and Friday morning, and he kept saying snow showers in the Champlain Valley with some locally heavy and significant snows in the Green Mountain spine communities as well as the eastern Burlington suburbs/western slopes.

The timing of it was just horrific though and made it much worse as it was commute time on Friday evening before a long weekend, and it was ripping 1-3"/hr from BTV towards Montpelier on I-89 and all the west/east slope communities around the Spine. I know folks on this board don't think many people live up here, but the upslope region is actually one of the more populated areas in the state so it has a high impact for anyone driving home between BTV and Montpelier. Its also the most traveled region in the state between BTV and MPV.

Then there are always the wildcards in these events that you never actually know how it will shake out... how far upstream (west) will the heavy snow get (ie does it get into BTV proper, or does it more stay confined to the actual spine). Even BTV had a few hours of 1"/hr with 4" total from that burst on Friday evening, and when that happens, you know its ripping out towards Williston, Richmond, Waterbury, Hinesburgh, Huntington, Underhill, Essex, Jerhico, and then the RT 100 corridor too from Morrisville, Stowe, Waterbury Center, Waitsfield, Warren, etc.

J.Spin who lives right next to I-89 recorded 2.8" in one hour so that makes highway travel pretty darn tough with those rates and NW winds, too. That's pretty gnarly driving conditions for a Friday evening commute home or vacationers coming up for the long weekend. There was a lot of folks in Stowe that didn't check into their hotels until midnight or later because of the snow.

[powderfreak]

Based on the BTV AFD this morning, it looks like we have a couple chances for fresh snow this week. The first being on Tuesday night, with lingering upslope snow showers on Wednesday, then maybe a couple inches Thursday from WAA. Back to nickel and dime pattern with no big storms. It is slowly adding up though.


FORECAST PERIOD STARTS WITH A FRONTAL LOW PRESSURE WAVE MOVING NEWD
OUT OF THE OHIO RIVER VALLEY AND ACROSS OUR FORECAST AREA TUESDAY
NIGHT. THIS SYSTEM WILL BRING A PERIOD OF SNOW TO MUCH OF THE
REGION...WITH CURRENT INDICATIONS SHOWING 00-06Z WEDNESDAY AS THE
PERIOD OF MAXIMUM QPF IN BOTH THE 00Z GFS AND ECMWF SOLNS. MAY SEE
SOME ADVISORY CRITERIA SNOWS /3-6"/ WITH THIS SYSTEM...WHICH IS
SIMILAR IN SOME RESPECTS TO THE SYSTEM THAT MOVED THRU THE REGION
THIS PAST FRIDAY. TEMPERATURES ARE SOMEWHAT MARGINAL TO START...AND
A RAIN/SNOW MIX IS POSSIBLE IN THE VALLEY OF CENTRAL/SRN VERMONT
EARLY ON...BUT GENERALLY BECOMING ALL SNOW TOWARD MIDNIGHT TUESDAY
NIGHT. AS THE LOW DEPARTS EARLY WEDNESDAY MORNING...MUCH COLDER AIR
MOVES IN ON GUSTY W-NW WINDS OF 15-25 MPH /GUSTS TO 35 MPH POSSIBLE
WEDNESDAY MORNING/. TEMPS 28-32F EARLY TUESDAY NIGHT WILL FALL
SHARPLY WEDNESDAY MORNING AND LIKELY NOT GET OUT OF THE TEENS
WEDNESDAY AFTN AS 1000-500MB THICKNESS VALUES OF 499-505DM ADVECT
ACROSS THE REGION. WITH LOW-LEVEL CAA AND NW FLOW...SOME LINGERING
SNOW SHOWERS ARE LIKELY WEDNESDAY IN THE NRN ADIRONDACKS AND ALONG
THE WRN SLOPES OF THE GREEN MTNS WITH FAVORABLE OROGRAPHIC ASCENT.

HIGH PRESSURE BUILDS OVERHEAD WEDNESDAY NIGHT SETTING UP EXCELLENT
RADIATIONAL COOLING CONDITIONS WITH CALM WINDS AND SOME FRESH
SNOWCOVER. LOOKING FOR LOWS WEDNESDAY NIGHT AROUND ZERO IN THE
CHAMPLAIN VALLEY AND GENERALLY ZERO TO 10 BELOW ELSEWHERE. A
SHORTWAVE TROUGH FOLLOWS QUICKLY BEHIND THE SFC RIDGE WITH
INCREASING CLOUDS FOR THURSDAY WITH A LIGHT WARM FRONTAL SNOWFALL
POSSIBLE THURSDAY AFTN INTO THURSDAY NIGHT. NOT MUCH AVAILABLE
MOISTURE AT THIS POINT...SO SNOW AMTS LIKELY D-2" OR 1-3" RANGE.

[tamarack]

Down to -15 or a bit lower this morning. Our share of all the upslope was about 20 flakes yesterday, but it's still nice to have the 5" from Thursday.

[Allenson]

Well, up to -11 now. Long live the torch.

 powderfreak, on 15 January 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

I know folks on this board don't think many people live up here, but the upslope region is actually one of the more populated areas in the state so it has a high impact for anyone driving home between BTV and Montpelier. Its also the most traveled region in the state between BTV and MPV.

Yeah, VT is different from our other NNE brethren in that the weight of population is in the north-central/northwestern part of the state with the snowiest part of the spine very close to our largest city & county, population-wise. The potential for high impact is...well, high.

[jzinckgra]

 tamarack, on 15 January 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

Down to -15 or a bit lower this morning. Our share of all the upslope was about 20 flakes yesterday, but it's still nice to have the 5" from Thursday.

That should lock up any open water on long pond. -6F at my house.

[Allenson]

Well, it's up to 0F. Or, -0.0F as my thermo reads. Always chuckle when it does that...

[mreaves]

Down to -2F already. Topped out at 4F.

[drew13btv]

 Allenson, on 15 January 2012 - 07:16 AM, said:

Well the WWAs in place and had they "heavy snow" in their wording. They upgraded the spine to a WSW at some point I think. Meh, the weather that day was nothing we haven't seen many times before.

WWA were not in greater Burlington area. In fact the WWAs were mostly just on the Green Mountain spine..

In fact point and click forecast was giving BTV, Swanton, Essex, etc all just the chance of 1 inch of accumulation. People were worried about Thursday. Had no clue about the greater Friday threat. That's my only point. It's a tough job. I know.

[borderwx]

Moisture died off around 11:30 over the spine enough to see it for the first time in a few days. Jay, N and S Gilpin to the far left


VT winter blue skies. I haven't traveled a lot but I swear its unique to us, haha



Nice thick rime above 3000'. Domey's Dome off in the distance



-2F high up at the pass. sittin on -10F already here at the house. gotta feelin we go past last nights bottom of -14F

edit: I'll add this one too, pretty much a postcard winter day

[Ginx]

Beautiful pics

[powderfreak]

High of 1F at the base today, high of 2F in the village, and -8F at the summit. Brrrr.

Beautiful mid-winter day though with fresh snowpack and crisp temps.

[Allenson]

A little after 6:30pm and it's already -8...

 drew13btv, on 15 January 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

WWA were not in greater Burlington area. In fact the WWAs were mostly just on the Green Mountain spine..

In fact point and click forecast was giving BTV, Swanton, Essex, etc all just the chance of 1 inch of accumulation. People were worried about Thursday. Had no clue about the greater Friday threat. That's my only point. It's a tough job. I know.

And points east, ahem.

Anyway, didn't realize that you were talking about Burlington proper. How much did they get over there?

[drew13btv]

BTV got 4 inches. I'm not sure about downtown. I was just talking about Burlington specifically but the entire area north and south of the city that was West enough to be out of the WWAs.

[borderwx]

 powderfreak, on 15 January 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

High of 1F at the base today, high of 2F in the village, and -8F at the summit. Brrrr.

Beautiful mid-winter day though with fresh snowpack and crisp temps.

big hill looking good PF

[klw]

We had a low of -10f last night and a high of 5f today but I don't know if the sensor was in the sun for that. -4f at the moment.

[j24vt]

 Allenson, on 15 January 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

A little after 6:30pm and it's already -8...



And points east, ahem.

Anyway, didn't realize that you were talking about Burlington proper. How much did they get over there?

Colchester, first town north of Burlington got maybe an inch. You can still see the grass.